Short and to the point—this is officially the worst evangelism tool ever found on the face of the earth.
Sadness strikes me in great amounts hearing this gay man’s response.
Much love.www.themarinfoundation.org
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First Evangelical Free Church Chicago, IL
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United Church of Christ Pastors Gathering St. Louis, MO
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North Park University Chapel
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Love is an Orientation Workshop at InterVarsity Press Headquarters in Westmont, IL
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Willow Creek DuPage Campus Bridge Building Class #1
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The Marin Foundation's Chicago Living in the Tension Community Gathering at 5255 N. Ashland at 7pm
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Willow Creek Axis Young Adult Q&A Forum on Love is an Orientation in South Barrington, IL
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Willow Creek DuPage Campus Bridge Building Class #2
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Interview (part 2) for Relevant Magazine's Podcast
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Willow Creek DuPage Campus Bridge Building Class #3
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Christian Community Development Association Board of Director Emerging Leader Cohort in Jackson, MS
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Urban Youth Workers Institute RELOAD Inland Empire in Los Angeles, CA starting at 9am PST.
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Willow Creek Community Church South Barrington, IL Bridge Building Class #1
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Willow Creek Community Church South Barrington, IL Bridge Building Class #2
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Moody Memorial Church missions committee meeting Chicago, IL
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Teaching at the Salvation Army Ministry Training Center in Chicago, IL
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Record an interview with the nationally syndicated radio program Prime Time America
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Living in the Tension Community Gathering at 5255 N. Ashland Ave Chicago, IL Room 120 at 7pm
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First Evangelical Free Church Chicago Elder Board Meeting and Discussion of Love is an Orientation
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Christ Community Church of Omaha, NE
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Olive Branch Peace Coalition Interfaith Service on Capitol Hill in Washington DC the night before the Inauguration
Jan 21:
Elevating the Conversation Part III Talkback at Newsong Church Irvine, CA
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Lawndale Community Church Chicago, IL
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National Pastors Convention in San Diego, CA
Feb 14-16:
Jubilee Conference in Pittsburgh, PA
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Willow Creek Community Church South Barrington, IL Pastor and Staff Bridge Building Workshop
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InterVarsity Christian Fellowship Leadership Training Chicago, IL
March 3:
The Marin Foundation's Chicago Living in the Tension Community Gathering at 5255 N. Ashland at 7pm
March 5:
Interview on WORD-FM radio program Pittsburgh at 4:10pm Central Time
March 8:
First Evangelical Free Church Chicago, IL
March 13-15:
United Church of Christ Pastors Gathering St. Louis, MO
March 19:
The Marin Foundation's Chicago Living in the Tension Community Gathering at 5255 N. Ashland at 7pm
April 2:
Guest post on Scot McKnight's #1 rated Christian blog, Jesus Creed
April 4:
Urban Youth Workers Institute RELOAD Chicago at North Park University and a Love is an Orientation book signing to follow
April 6:
Interview for Relevant Magazine's Podcast
April 9:
The Marin Foundation's Chicago Living in the Tension Community Gathering at 5255 N. Ashland at 7pm
April 13:
Radio interview on the Eric Hogue Show in Nothern California at 6:30pm Pacific (8:30pm CST)
April 15:
North Park University Chapel
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Love is an Orientation Workshop at InterVarsity Press Headquarters in Westmont, IL
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Willow Creek DuPage Campus Bridge Building Class #1
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April 21:
The Marin Foundation's Chicago Living in the Tension Community Gathering at 5255 N. Ashland at 7pm
April 22:
Willow Creek Axis Young Adult Q&A Forum on Love is an Orientation in South Barrington, IL
April 23:
Willow Creek DuPage Campus Bridge Building Class #2
April 27:
Interview (part 2) for Relevant Magazine's Podcast
April 29:
Premier Christian Radio interview in the United Kingdom at 8am Central Time
April 29:
Will be a guest on Direct Line radio show from 5:15-5:45pm CST.
April 30:
Willow Creek DuPage Campus Bridge Building Class #3
April-May 2009:
Love Is An Orientation to be released
May 1:
My article, Shifting the Gay vs. Christian Culture War, to be published in Relevant Magazine's Neue Quarterly
May 4:
An article written by Irene Cho of Fuller Youth Institute to be published in the Journal of Student Ministries that will feature The Marin Foundation
May 5-9:
Christian Community Development Association Board of Director Emerging Leader Cohort in Jackson, MS
May 11:
Reba Place Community in Evanston, IL 7:30-8:30pm
May 12:
The Marin Foundation's Chicago Living in the Tension Community Gathering at 5255 N. Ashland at 7pm
May 13:
Radio interview on the Bob Dutko Show in Detroit, MI from 1:35-2:05pm CST
May 14:
Speaking at [Elements] Gathering at the gay bar, Roscoes, in Chicago, IL at 7pm
May 15:
Pastoral Staff training at Grace Church Long Beach, CA at 7pm PST.
May 16:
Urban Youth Workers Institute RELOAD Inland Empire in Los Angeles, CA starting at 9am PST.
May 17:
Pastoral Staff training at CityWalk Church in San Diego, CA at 2:30pm PST.
May 17:
Pastoral Staff training at Harbor Uptown and Downtown churches in San Diego, CA at 4:30pm PST.
May 18:
Consulting Workshop for the Southern California Coalition of Churches in Irvine, CA from 12-2pm PST.
May 20:
Willow Creek Community Church South Barrington, IL Bridge Building Class #1
May 21:
The Marin Foundation's Chicago Living in the Tension Community Gathering at 5255 N. Ashland at 7pm
May 22:
Andrew Marin to be interviewed live at 7:10am CST on the Mornings with Mark radio program, WMBI in Chicago.
May 24:
Interview for an upcoming documentary, New Spirits
May 26:
Podcast Interview with David Crumm from "Conversations With..." from 1-2pm CST.
May 27:
Willow Creek Community Church South Barrington, IL Bridge Building Class #2
June 1:
Interview live on Prime Time Chicago from 3-4pm CST.
June 3:
Willow Creek Community Church South Barrington, IL Bridge Building Class #3
June 5:
Andrew Marin will be interviewed on the TV program, The Harvest Show, to be aired on DirecTV channel 321.
June 7:
Moody Memorial Church missions committee meeting Chicago, IL
June 8:
Teaching at the Salvation Army Ministry Training Center in Chicago, IL
June 9:
Live interview on America's most listened to radio show: The Frank Pastore Show from 7:30-9pm CST
June 10:
Record an interview with the nationally syndicated radio program Prime Time America
June 10:
Living in the Tension Community Gathering at 5255 N. Ashland Ave Chicago, IL Room 120 at 7pm
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First Evangelical Free Church Chicago Elder Board Meeting and Discussion of Love is an Orientation
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Recording of the Praxis Podcast Show
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Recording for theooze.tv
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First Evangelical Free Church Chicago, IL
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Cornerstone Festival 2009 in Bushnell, IL
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Interview on the nationally syndicated Prime Time America at 5pm CST
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Salvation Army Youth training in Chicago, IL
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Lifest Festival 2009 in Oshkosh, WI
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Live interview on America's most listened to Christian radio show: The Frank Pastore Show, 7:30pm CST
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Interview on the nationally syndicated Al Kresta Show on Sirius Radio at 2:20pm CST
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Living in the Tension Community Gathering at 7pm at 5255 N. Ashland Ave Room 120
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Recording an interview with News and Culture Editor of Crosswalk.com, Katherine Britton at 10am CST
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Recording an interview with Home Brewed Christianity with Chad Crawford
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Hi Andrew,
I have been following your blog for some time and have been watching your videos. I would like to offer up the notion that this isn't so much about a cultural war between Christianity and GLBT Folks/Allies. I would assert this should be more properly framed as a cultural war between EVANGELICAL Christians and GLBT Folks/Allies.
As an out partnered Christian Gay man, I have never experienced the hate that you describe from the church.
I grew up in a liberal mainline protestant denomination. There are MANY churches that are gay affirming of which the notion of full acceptance has LONG been dealt with.
I guess, from my side, it kinda irritates me when people who are "bridge building" and even people who are not frame these discussions or issues as a cultural war between gays and christians. I think a distinction needs to be made.
Just because this is an issue for Evangelical Christians DOES NOT mean that ALL Christians should be lumped together--to do so kinda sounds like you arrogantly represent all of Christianity on this issue.
Hi aujaharris,
I appriciate your comments and your life experience. But just because that is your experience does not mean it's the same for everyone - even within the most liberal denominations within Christanity that you think have "LONG" since resolved the topic. In fact, earlier this year the United Church of Christ (one of the most liberal denominations) brought me in to facilitate a discussion between their open and affirming group AND their conservative group, called Faithful and Welcoming. The UCC is a perfect example that what you're saying is not the case for everyone, as there are very conservative groups and factions, very vocal non-the less, even within the most "liberal" denominations.
The next time you decide to name call, think first about your argument in terms of wholistic worldviews and experiences across the broad spectrum of faith and sexuality, not just your own.
I'm glad you've had such a great go at it, but that doesn't constitute the majority of the GLBT community within Christendom (evangelical or not!). Your argument is too narrowly focused and therefore not thoroughly or appropirately constructed.
Andrew,
OK! Touche!
I guess I should have been more clear that it is true that there are conservative elements within many mainline protestant denominations that struggle with this issue. I shouldn't have said ALL mainline churches are gay affirming so I apologize for not being clear.
However, I still don't think its fair that when people who are not Gay Affirming think they speak for all Christian Churches.
Honestly, it would be like me saying, that since I am a liberal mainline protestant that all Christians Churches ARE gay affirming. That would be a false statement to make on my part. Does that make sense?
I guess I am saying that evangelicals and other conservatives in mainline churches need to be careful about how they use language because it just isn't fully accurate. In this dialogue I think language is important! Be honest! Be real! That would be my best advice! I know I try to be.
And let me also apologize for my strong language I know it probably sounded harsh--that wasnt my intention--but it is a pet peeve of mine. I appreciate your efforts to bridge build but honestly I think we have a long way to go.
I think you also have to be prepared for the fact that you are the ones trying to reach out to the gay community.
We have not been the ones that have necessarily started this dialogue. Of course dialogues and conversations should be respectful and open but the majority of(glbt folks) should feel no responsibility for bridging this gap. I think we SHOULD make the effort because Christ would want us to. If you want to take that as harsh or if you want to get defensive about it then so be it--its not intended that way--its just honest. Dialogue can sometimes sting--even when its not meant to. I have had really enjoyed my conversations with Wendy on Bridging The Gap. She and I have had many no holds bar discussion and neither of us holds back. But I still REALLY appreciate what she is doing! And I have a feeling that you are a lot like Wendy in that regard.
People like me, who have been in gay affirming churches, often sit back and wonder why, all of a sudden, some evangelicals and other conservatives, want to reach out to GLBT folks.
I have had my moments when I want to understand the motivation--sometimes I have been skeptical. I am trying to trust that Jesus is mixed up in all this and that I need to move forward in faith with all this.
Can we bridge the gap? I am not sure. I guess its all in God's hands. I hope what I say doesnt offend you further--just being honest. I guess.
PEace, Jack
Hi Jack,
I look forward to engaging this conversation more! However I'm going on vacation tomorrow and won't be back for almost 10 days. In the meantime, take care of yourself and much love!
Talk soon.
Andrew
Have a wonderful vacation! I just got your book in the mail I am looking forward to reading it! I will touch base with you again one I have had to read it and digest!
Peace, Jack :)
Hi Jack,
I'm back from vacation, and recharged (and a little bummed to be 'not on vacation' if you know what I mean).
Here are a few thoughts to your follow-up thoughts:
1. I understand where you're coming from with the broad-scope labels of "Christian community". I am more than open to suggestions on what you think would be better. I, however, cannot just single out evangelicalism, as I don't beleive that would be a correct assessment of all other denominations.
2. Why do people want to reach out to GLBT folks...why not? From a traditional biblical persepctive, all people will have the opportunity to believe or not believe - and someone's got to communicate that at some point in everyone's life. But don't get me wrong, it's been communicated very, very poorly to the GLBT community over the years - definitely hindered more belief than not! In the gospel of John, Jesus says that the Kingdom of God is inherited by belief (first and foremost). I stick to that as Truth.
I'm looking forward to talking about the book.
Much love!
do you honestly believe this is 'evangelism' even in the eyes of the people who are doing it? they are not there to evangelize, and to pretend otherwise is to lie to god, mankind, and yourself. this is only about bullying. if it were legal to shoot and kill gay people at pride parades, do you honestly think anyone of these "evangelists" would bring a bible, or would they bring a gun?
these *things* are only interested in sending people to hell.
furthermore, these *things* and their bumpersticker theology are not christians, they are christianists.
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